manly sci-fi is dissappearing. O NOES D:
Oct. 13th, 2009 03:54 pmThe war on science fiction. Have you heard of it? If not, then you're lucky.
Basically it says "OMG the wimenz and gays are writing | in my sci-fi!! Do not want!". And then it goes on and on about how sci-fi is about men doing things and men discovering things and men doing manly stuf flike pew-pewing aliens into oblivion, and how sad is today's sci-fi, full of fluffy nonsense and exploration of characters' feelings and dull sentimentalism.
The conclusion that the new generations will not get inspired by today's sci-fi heros (and heroines, because there are women leading ships, guys!) and we'll be doomed to use Windows 7 for like twenty years is incredibly interesting. If you ask me, it's a tad sad that while male heterosexual men can't be inspired by leading female characters or by sci-fi with other things that laser-shooting startships.
The amount of times the article states that "men do things" is astounding. I sensee a drinking game coming.
I enjoy the subjacent(?) idea that only manly men discover things and provide evolution to our technology. Is, in a way, kind of sci-fi territory.
At least I don't like the name change of Sci-fi channel. I guess we can agree on that? ("Syfy"? Really? In Spain we still mock RAE for trying to force the population to accept "cederrón" as the correct spanish word to say "cd-rom").
The comments are also worth of your attention. I feel sorry for Whedon, seems like men hates him ("Whedon being one of the biggest manginas working in tv". Mangina? I'm not sure I want to know) and women don't like how he manages his character's relationships (bitter ending, someone dying, etc). Also, poor Merlin :( (Hey, they acknowledged strong female characters, that's good. Until you realise they think it's a bad thing).
"Anyway, sometimes men ought to be able to enjoy the company of other men without women being involved from time to time."
I don't think this means what you think it means.
Or, my slash googles are still working perfectly.
You chose. Either way, I win.
"I think we should all be concerned with good quality, not feminine-masculine dividing lines."
Earth Logic is not welcome in this article.
This reasoning is interesting:
"And I can’t think of a better example of ‘men going their own way’ than the standard computer geeks. Heck, Isaac Newton never dated, and laid the foundation for physics up until Einstein…"
If you got laid you ain't gonna discover a damn, sugah.
Basically it says "OMG the wimenz and gays are writing | in my sci-fi!! Do not want!". And then it goes on and on about how sci-fi is about men doing things and men discovering things and men doing manly stuf flike pew-pewing aliens into oblivion, and how sad is today's sci-fi, full of fluffy nonsense and exploration of characters' feelings and dull sentimentalism.
The conclusion that the new generations will not get inspired by today's sci-fi heros (and heroines, because there are women leading ships, guys!) and we'll be doomed to use Windows 7 for like twenty years is incredibly interesting. If you ask me, it's a tad sad that while male heterosexual men can't be inspired by leading female characters or by sci-fi with other things that laser-shooting startships.
The amount of times the article states that "men do things" is astounding. I sensee a drinking game coming.
I enjoy the subjacent(?) idea that only manly men discover things and provide evolution to our technology. Is, in a way, kind of sci-fi territory.
At least I don't like the name change of Sci-fi channel. I guess we can agree on that? ("Syfy"? Really? In Spain we still mock RAE for trying to force the population to accept "cederrón" as the correct spanish word to say "cd-rom").
The comments are also worth of your attention. I feel sorry for Whedon, seems like men hates him ("Whedon being one of the biggest manginas working in tv". Mangina? I'm not sure I want to know) and women don't like how he manages his character's relationships (bitter ending, someone dying, etc). Also, poor Merlin :( (Hey, they acknowledged strong female characters, that's good. Until you realise they think it's a bad thing).
"Anyway, sometimes men ought to be able to enjoy the company of other men without women being involved from time to time."
I don't think this means what you think it means.
Or, my slash googles are still working perfectly.
You chose. Either way, I win.
"I think we should all be concerned with good quality, not feminine-masculine dividing lines."
Earth Logic is not welcome in this article.
This reasoning is interesting:
"And I can’t think of a better example of ‘men going their own way’ than the standard computer geeks. Heck, Isaac Newton never dated, and laid the foundation for physics up until Einstein…"
If you got laid you ain't gonna discover a damn, sugah.
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Date: 2009-10-13 02:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-13 02:18 pm (UTC)Meanwhile, I welcome our new touchy-feely overlords.
And all those male characters give Ianto kinky thoughts.no subject
Date: 2009-10-13 02:21 pm (UTC)Which is yay!
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Date: 2009-10-13 03:07 pm (UTC)I think the author needs to get out more ¬¬
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Date: 2009-10-13 03:08 pm (UTC)"Anyway, sometimes men ought to be able to enjoy the company of other men without women being involved from time to time."
That's such a great line! :D
Also, poor Merlin :( (Hey, they acknowledged strong female characters, that's good. Until you realise they think it's a bad thing)
Yes, and apparently Arthur is supersensitive! XDD
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Date: 2009-10-13 04:34 pm (UTC)(Suddenly I can't english? Mi profesor de Historia de la Edad Media decía que en esa época se veía a las mujeres como seres misteriosos, porque la gestación y el parto era prácticamente magia. Supongo que hay una parte que deriva de ahí, el miedo a lo diferente y desconocido? Aunque no será porque ya no se sabe como funciona la reproducción).
Perhaps it's the Fear of Change into action, or perhaps just because they don't know better? I don't know, and better not to speculate about the topic, methinks (because I fail at funny).
"many men refused to watch it on principle because the lead characters were gay, as if it were something contagious."
I think that is it. "If someone seems me doing something gay, then they'll think I'm gay and I'll lose
the wimmenzmy virility!!". Because your sexuality totally depends of what the others think about you (alpha male competitivity taken to the extreme?). (Thinks like this makes me recall the Watch Jensen Hiding His Manly Tears Of Inner Pain, and then I laugh)That's why In & out is so funny, with all the "no dancing" tape and the last scene, all students jumping and having Teh Gay!
"That's such a great line! :D"
Makes me giggle every time! :D
"Yes, and apparently Arthur is supersensitive! XDD"
That also makes me giggle! (where did you say he's supersensitive? :p)
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Date: 2009-10-13 04:38 pm (UTC)(where did you say he's supersensitive? :p)
Ask Merlin! (and damn I had to cough because it was either that or laugh out loud!)
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Date: 2009-10-13 04:20 pm (UTC)La de gilipolleces que hay que leer, dios mío. Podría extenderme más sobre el ideal de mujer que parece entender este buen hombre (con la pata quebrada en la cocina y de ahí a la cama para cumplir su deber como "área recreativa masculina"), pero es que...
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Date: 2009-10-13 11:58 pm (UTC)There was a time when anything sci-fi was, by omission, chauvinist. Because of that, female audience wasn't amused. They really didn't care about phew-phew battles, huge ships (Clearly, NOT a inferiority complex symptom) and, you know. MEN doing things.
Then, the channel was taken over by a woman who wanted to make the genre more attractive to the female audience. So she cut all those "manly" things (Discovering, battling, researching...), and put more "womanly" things in return (Drama, sentimental chat, hot and steamy gay sex...).
And then, this person goes all CAPSLOCK!!RAEG and writes a rant. I've got it alright?
Suficiente ingles por hoy xDReconozco que la ciencia ficcion no es lo que era. Y sinceramente, una Enterprise con una mujer como capitana es mas interesante que verle los peinados estramboticos y el complejo de mujer florero que llevaba encima Uhura. De hecho, no creo que esto suponga ningun problema.
Pero lleva una idea de fondo bastante interesante. Hay una generacion hay fuera (Quizas tu tambien formes parte de ella, todavia no te conozco lo suficiente) que flipaba pepinillos con la idea de crear algo ligeramente parecido a Data, el pozo de sabiduria sin fondo que era el doctor Spock, o pensar que ser un ingeniero
es ser siempre el primero en morirera un puesto de trabajocon alta siniestralidadinteresante.Sin embargo, te pones a ver las ultimas series de ciencia ficcion, y aunque siguen siendo muy entretenidas (Tomemos como ejemplo Kyle XY, la mas reciente que me he visto), han perdido ese componente de "The MIT wants you". Viendo a Kyle, no veia a un prodigio de la ingenieria genetica, veia a un chico increiblemente inocente con superpoderes echandose novia, enfrentandose a las clases o redefiniendo lo que es una familia.
En cualquier caso, veo, en cierto modo, comprensible la queja. Desde el punto de vista de lo que nos hacian sentir esas series, independientemente al sexo de los protagonistas o de su actitud hacia el sexo opuesto, digamos que se ha perdido ese toque. Se ha rebajado con agua, se ha mezclado con cosas que no tendrian mucho que ver en un principio. Nadie se queja por un poco de fanservice, o por desarrollar a un personaje mas alla de su papel habitual, pero cuando esto se convierte en lo habitual en lugar de, ya sabes, la ciencia ficcion en si, y con el unico motivo de intentar hacer el genero mas "accesible", creo que se pierde un poco el norte. Lo cual no es ni necesariamente malo, ni necesariamente bueno.
PD: English is not my mother language. Excuse any bad grammar or lexicon. Please, feel free to note any preposterous mistake.
PD2: Aviso que me gusta charlar y discutir en cierto modo, y que espero no ofender a nadie con mi opinion.
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Date: 2009-10-14 07:41 am (UTC)The problem with that way of viewing things is that it assumes there wasn't women writing sci-fi ten years before. But women were there since the beginning (first Star Wars movies, for example. Or, if you want to have real fun, Mary Shelley).
"flipaba pepinillos con la idea de crear algo ligeramente parecido a Data"
En realidad yo flipaba pepinillos de colores con la idea de crear algo ligeramente parecido a Arale. No conocí a Data hasta que estaba en el insti xD
"Desde el punto de vista de lo que nos hacian sentir esas series, independientemente al sexo de los protagonistas o de su actitud hacia el sexo opuesto, digamos que se ha perdido ese toque."
Y encontrarás mucha gente de acuerdo con ello. Yo soy uno de los que no se ha dado cuenta del cambio de hard sci-fi a "soft" sci-fi (donde hay menos palabrejos e investigación y descubrimiento y más interacción entre personajes) y a los que el cambio no le importa demasiado. Pero hay mucha gente de acuerdo con esa idea.
De hecho, si el artículo fuera de cómo la sci-fi ha dejado de banda (parcialmente?) el factor de descubrimiento y demás en lugar de criticar a autores gays y mujeres y a personajes gays y femeninos y llevándose las manos a la cabeza gritando "me han roto el juguete" entonces seguramente no habría encontrado tanta oposición.
La sci-fi es diferente de como era hace unos años. Cierto. (Dejando ya de banda todo eso de que cambia con el tiempo porque nosotros hemos cambiado y tal como sociedad). Ahora, ¿berrinches porque hay mujeres escribiendo y personajes femeninos con carácter y hombres retozando con otros hombres y menos pew-pew? Pfff, por favor.
La insistencia en que antes eran hombres los que hacían todo también es curiosa. Ya no sabes si los hombres de ahora en la sci-fi no son Hombres de Verdad o floreros aunque se acuesten con mujeres y vayan partiendo
bocascascos de naves alienígenas con sus torpedos de fotones. Y, por supuesto, el que haya mujeres haciendo las mismas cosas que los hombres es La Muerte Del Género (a mi me preocupa más que la típica respuesta de la teniente Torres en Voyager sea "pues no estoy segura, pero yo creo que podría funcionar. ¿Probamos?". Para ser un súpergenio podría transmitir un poco más de seguridad).no subject
Date: 2009-10-14 10:48 am (UTC)Se podria incluso concluir que la situacion actual de la sci-fi es mas o menos el equivalente a la liberacion de la mujer en la sociedad. Se meten donde quieren, como quieren, a hacer lo que quieren. Y eso provoca que la ciencia ficción haya dejado de ser tan "ciencia" para convertirse en un poco más de "ficción", adecuandose a los gustos tanto de un grupo de mujeres que mira (o no) este genero como a los gustos de sus guionistas o productoras.
Viendo como lo planteas, que la sci-fi ya no es lo que era porque ya no va de HOMBRES haciendo cosas (mejor dicho, de HOMBRES haciendo cosas que no tengan que ver con otros HOMBRES), posi, es para tomarse a broma a este tio.
Aunque al final, esto es como todo. Creo que no hace falta excluir ni a unos ni a otros de esto. No creo que sea necesario ni centrarse tan solo en un tipo de sci-fi o en otro. Siempre pueden seguir produciendo todo tipo de guiones. Que a fin de cuentas, X-Files y otras series de los noventa no creo que fueran muy atractivas para el publico en femenino en general, y sin embargo, tuvo su pequeño gran grupo de admiradoras.